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April 27, 2010
Diagonal crosswalk at Monon and Westfield?
           
by Christopher Newgent   |   28 COMMENTS
Having gone to Ball State, I got to appreciate first-hand the convenience of the diagonal crosswalk (the "scramble light") in the heart of campus. An intersection I've thought for awhile that would benefit from a similar treatment is pictured above: the Monon/Westfield/Winthrop intersection in Broad Ripple. Currently, trail users must cross the street twice to legally proceed across the intersection, which is as inconvenient to them as it is for the cars who have to wait for the trail user to cross the street each time. Not to mention the intersection itself is a mess of people and cars trying to figure out right-of-way, usually because a trail user crosses once and starts to cross again, only to look both ways and see a car coming, the car seeing the trail user, slows or stops in a fit of considerate rage to let the trail user go, but now another car is edging forward to turn off Winthrop, and Bob's your uncle. I propose something like this:

Normally, diagonal crosswalks are accompanied by lights that halt all vehicular traffic to allow pedestrians to cross however they need, but I don't think something that elaborate is particularly necessary at this intersection. It's a casual enough intersection that I think would regulate itself, especially without the confusion of trail users not knowing how to cross the intersection (I'll admit I usually do cross diagonally when there's no traffic, and a lot of users already think they can even with traffic present, causing the aforementioned confusion and condescension among intersection-goers). The only problem I really see is during heavy trail use days/times, if trail users don't know to wait their turn, it could cause vehicular traffic some annoyance, but I think ample signage directed to trail users to respect vehicle traffic and wait their turn when vehicle traffic is present would do well enough to regulate the intersection. But, I've also been accused often enough of being naïve/idealistic. What are some of your thoughts?
28 COMMENTS
The campus of IPFW has a diagonal cross walk from the parking lots to the buildings. It works well, but you'll always have some joker that's far to impatient to wait for mere pedestrians.
Eric S. April 30, 2010
Not yet. Ben and Jamison met with Andy last night and were supposed to chat him up about it. I'll let you know if anything was said.
christopher April 30, 2010
Any updates Chris?
Curt April 30, 2010
My pie-in-the-sky idea for this area has always been a long, gently rising bridge over the whole intersection. There's plenty of space on either end for the bridge to taper and it would offer a great way to brand the Monon as it passes through Broad Ripple. That's always been missing in my mind. The Monon's there, but there's no "BANG, here it is" placemarking in Broad Ripple, as there is in places like Carmel. There would plenty of signage options on the bridge as well.

Short of that -- let's be honest, that ain't happening anytime soon -- a diagonal crosswalk is a great idea. Some flashing lights, or at least some signs alerting drivers to the non-standard trail crossing would probably be helpful.
CorrND April 29, 2010
This idea would be a great improvement, short of shunting the trail over or under the intersection and then Broad Ripple Avenue itself. I'd be happy to wait for a crossing light if it meant not getting hit at this intersection.

I agree also that the north-west corner of the intersection needs some help. The utility pole... the crowd around the snow cone vendor... This corner should work better as an access to the trail and not simply as a spot where the trail continues.
Michael April 29, 2010
I went down Broad Ripple Ave this morning, and they were putting those nifty looking graphics to direct traffic at 62nd and College. I still think that would be perfect to mark off the diagonal
Curt April 29, 2010
I think a diagonal crosswalk would be a good idea there. I've never been a fan of the way they routed the trail in that area.

As for the crosswalks, I think you guys are making some good points. As a cyclist, I've always seen the stop signs on the trail, which have always been self-explanatory to me. I've had cars stop for me and it's usually more of a hassle than if they'd just keep going because we end up doing the, "You go. No, you go" dance. However, now that I think of it, the crosswalks might be throwing some of the drivers off. After all, they might not know that trail users are supposed to stop.
Adam April 29, 2010
@Josh: In this application, it helps to think of crosswalks as the pedestrian/trail user version of sharrows.
christopher April 28, 2010
Guess this answers my question... so what's the point of painting a cross walk if the stop sign negates the use of the crosswalk?

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IC 9-21-8-36
Traffic control signals not in operation
Sec. 36. Except as provided in IC 9-21-17-8, when traffic control signals are not in place or not in operation, a person who drives a vehicle shall yield the right-of-way, slowing down or stopping if necessary to yield, to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk when the pedestrian is upon the half of the roadway upon which the vehicle is traveling or when the pedestrian is approaching closely from the opposite half of the roadway.
As added by P.L.2-1991, SEC.9.
Joshua (Jugomugo) April 28, 2010
Keep us posted what they say Chris. I often wonder how swiftly something like this could be implimented. It seems like it could happen swiftly, but I dont know what the official process is for suggesting, studying, approving and implimenting.
Curt April 28, 2010

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